How Much Eliquid Does It Take to kill You? Essential Knowledge for All Vapers
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by: James Dunworth

The rat squealed as I forced another drop of Smoker’s Halo American Red into its mouth.

“3 milligrams, and still alive,” I reported grimly to my smoking hot lab assistant…

Me and my assistant, in lab coats, in the ecigarettedirect lab.

Me with my smoking hot lab assistant.

Not really!

While strictly speaking you’d need experiments to see how much eliquid it would take to kill, that’s not really us, so we’re going to have to rely on a survey of the science.

But first, a story…

Black and white picture showing Bocarme struggling with Gustave.  Perhaps, as he lay with his head on the block waiting for the guillotine to come down, the Belgian Count Hippolyte Visart de Bocarmé had time to reflect on the effectiveness of nicotine as a poison.

A few months ago his brother Gustave had been enjoying a meal at Bocarne’s house. He was not expecting his brother the count, to seize him by the throat.

He pulled at his brother’s hand, biting and scratching, but the count forced Gustave, already weakened by illness, to open his mouth while his wife poured in a liquid distilled from two phials of nicotine – liquid he had already tested on the household animals.

All potential witnesses had been cleared from the room, but a maid reported hearing cries – but as she rushed towards the room, she ran into the Countess rushing out the other way. Detection of the nicotine provided the basis for modern forensic science, but it’s also an example of how poisonous pure nicotine can be.

How much nicotine would it take to kill you?

As the story shows, nicotine is poisonous, and if you take enough of it, it will kill you.

But just how much is enough?

Published guidelines generally claim that around 30-60 mg, or 0.8mg/kilo, would be enough to kill a person, leading to warnings that just five cigarettes could kill an adult.

To put this in perspective it takes 3.3mg of nicotine per kilo to kill a mouse, and more than 50mg of nicotine per kilo to kill a rat.

Quantity of nicotine needed to kill a mouse and a person.

Mice aren’t the greatest model to use, but that’s still some difference!

In fact, there have also been reports of attempted suicides which failed despite a much higher concentration of nicotine (although vomiting probably helped). These strange inconsistencies spurred one scientist to investigate further…

Hey! Let’s find out if nicotine is dangerous by testing it on ourselves…

Current guidelines are based on scientists who decided to test nicotine on themselves over 150 years ago.

Current guidelines are based on scientists who decided to test nicotine on themselves over 150 years ago.

Over 150 years ago two researchers, Dworzack and Heinrich, decided to find out if nicotine was dangerous – by taking it themselves. After taking 1-4mg of nicotine they claimed symptoms including:

…headache, dizziness, numbness, cloudy vision and hearing, light sensitivity, anxiety, dryness of the throat, coldness of the limbs, ructus [belch], flatulence, nausea, vomiting and rectal tenesmus. Respiration was accelerated and labored, pulse rate increased initially, and rose directly with the increasing dose; but later rose and fell erratically. After 45 min the experimenters lost consciousness. One of them suffered clonic seizures for 2 h, particularly of the respiratory muscles, also tremors of the limbs and shivering over the whole body. After the initial recovery, feelings of exhaustion, drowsiness and bleakness remained for 3 days.

Strangely enough, the scientist reporting the study ignored another pharmacologist, Reid, who took 7mg of nicotine but only experienced very mild symptoms.

Yet, according to researcher Bernd Mayer, these dubious experiments by two nineteenth century scientists are the basis for 21st century warnings on nicotine.

So What’s The Real Limit

Speedometer showing a red needle in different places in the maximum zone.

More recent studies have shown that intravenous injection of 5mg of nicotine (equivalent to a 25 mg dose taken orally) lead to only mild symptoms of nausea and coughing.

Post mortem examinations of people who have died from nicotine poisoning suggest that lethal doses of nicotine could be 20 times higher than the 6o mg limit. (As nicotine breaks down rapidly after you die, the lethal dose could well  be higher than that.)

Source: Bernd Mayer: How much nicotine kills a human? Tracing back the generally accepted lethal dose to dubious self-experiments in the nineteenth century

Meanwhile, at his recent presentation at the ECigaretteSummmit, Jacques Le Houezec pointed out that deaths from nicotine poisoning are rare, even in children. (Update: Jacques discussed this further with me in this interview here.)

Out of 10 cases where children had had nicotine poisoning, not one had died.

And in 51 cases of ingestion of cigarettes or gum among children aged 5 months to 9 years, there had been no fatalities reported.

“Nicotine is not nearly as dangerous as previously reported,” argued Dr Jacques Le Houezec, suggesting that a conservative estimate of a lethal dose would be at least 20 times higher than the current 6o mg limit.

Graph showing difference between previous estimates of lethal doses of nicotine and new estimates by scientists like Houzaq.

He also pointed out that after two years of low exposure to nicotine for 20 hours a day, the only effect on lab rats had been weight loss.

Caution: This is a massive increase in the amount of nicotine, and is obviously not based on a clinical trial. Please continue to be very cautious when you handle nicotine. 

Source: E Cigarette Summit – Dr Jaques le Houzaq

So how much eliquid would you have to vape before you died?

Gwyn vapes in the ecigarettedirect lab.

Pharmacologist Gwyn vaping in the laboratory.

It’s impossible to provide exact figures.

As our resident pharmacologist, Gwyn Taylor, pointed out to me very firmly, you can’t give 100 people lethal amounts of nicotine and then work out what the average lethal dose is. (If you applied for our lab trial, please note the trial has now been cancelled.)

(Note to murderers – you also need to make sure that your victim is not a smoker or a vaper. Because of our higher tolerance levels, you’ll need a lot more to nicotine to kill a smoker/vaper than someone who doesn’t use nicotine.)

So to play safe, let’s use current, ridiculously over the top, limits.

We’ve already seen that current warnings are that the nicotine in just five cigarettes could kill you. However, when you smoke a cigarette you only absorb about 1-1.5mg of nicotine, so to reach the 30-60 mg limit you would actually have to smoke in the region of 20-60 cigarettes (or around 1200 cigarettes using Houezec’s estimates.)

We know that when you vape, your body absorbs slightly less nicotine than it does from a cigarette, so you’d have to vape more than the equivalent of 20-60 cigarettes. And you’d have to do that pretty quickly!

Because nicotine has a half life of two hours, by the time you had got to the upper end of that amount, you would probably have metabolised and excreted most of the nicotine.

And the half life of nicotine is perfectly illustrated by Shaman’s use of nicotine….

Shamans, Spirit World, And Nicotine Half Life

A shaman smoking tobacco.

Huge quantities of tobacco smoke filled the hut, stinging the eyes.

In the centre of the hut a shaman sat cross legged, a pipe in his hands. He inhaled deeply again and again, until his eyes rolled backed in his heads and he slumped to the floor, senseless.

The shaman appeared lifeless to his audience, but his mind was active, heading off on a journey to the spirit world. 

It would be the next day before he returned back to life…

As Jacques explained, Shaman’s would use huge quantities of nicotine until they appeared to be dead. But the next day, thanks to nicotine’s half life, they would be completely back to normal – an event that appeared miraculous to the Shaman’s followers.

(Check out Shaminism and Tobacco for more fascinating information on this topic!)

Two More Reasons Why Vaping Isn’t Going to Kill you

Blowing out vapour by a large bottle of liquid nicotine.

Steve tests out our assumptions by attempting to vape a large vat of nicotine liquid…

Even if you managed to overcome these hurdles, vaping isn’t likely to kill you.

1. The first sign of nicotine poisoning is nausea. And when smokers and vapers start to feel sick, they stop using nicotine.

2. In addition, scientists have found that smokers take just the right amount of nicotine for what they need (in scientific terms, they ‘self-titrate’).

Nicotine is unique in that it can both stimulate and relax, and smokers/vapers take the right amount to do just this.

But it also means that smokers stop before taking too much.

An example Dr Houezec gave is smokers who use nicotine patches. Many smokers who use nicotine patches continue to use cigarettes, but they use cigarettes in a way that they do not take in too much nicotine.

Drinking Eliquid

Drinking eliquid in the lab.

Drinking eliquid turned out not be such a good idea…

Unfortunately, drinking a 15ml bottle of 24 mg eliquid is another matter.

That’s because 24mg is per millilitre rather than per bottle. So a 15 ml bottle would contain 360mg of nicotine, which would kill you under current guidelines but probably not under revised estimates.

Children are much more vulnerable than adults, so make sure that your eliquid has a child proof cap on it, and is kept out of reach of children.

(As I know from experience, that’s not always easy when they reaching the climbing stage).

It’s all important to use eliquid that has been tested. At ECigaretteDirect our own range of eliquid is tested by external, government approved laboratories for impurities and nicotine strength. Both our UK supplier and our in-house pharmacologist review flavour constituents to ensure that there are no known lung irritants, and we also test our UK produced Eliquid for nicotine strength in our in-house laboratory.

What happens if you get eliquid on your skin?

Water splashing over a hand.

When two gardeners decided to paint a peach tree with 2.7% nicotine solution, they could have done it a bit more tidily.

In the process of painting the tree, they managed to splash the solution on their face, their hands and on their forearms.

The gardeners got moderate nicotine poisoning, which is probably due to the length of the exposure as well as the quantity.

The skin acts as an effective barrier to nicotine, but the longer you leave nicotine on your skin the more will be absorbed, so it’s obviously important to clean spills quickly.

However, it is likely to take a large quantity of eliquid exposure for there to be any risks of nicotine poisoning (so don’t paint your peach tree with it!)

Nicotine – It’s Not All Bad

Whatever the lethal dose of nicotine, it needs to be treated with respect. But it’s not all bad.

Check out Nicotine in Electronic Cigarettes: 10 Facts All Users Should Know for more fascinating information about the drug!

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8 Responses to “How Much Eliquid Does It Take to kill You? Essential Knowledge for All Vapers”

  1. Jacques Le Houezec December 5, 2013 at 4:49 pm #

    Could you please spell my name more accurately ;-)
    Great summary, and great fun to read!

    • James Dunworth December 5, 2013 at 4:52 pm #

      I do apologise, Jacques! Checking through the text now and will edit images later. Spent so much time checking the stats with Gwyn that I forget to check spellings too!

      • Jacques Le Houezec December 5, 2013 at 5:02 pm #

        No offense ;-) I took a good laugh indeed :D

        • James Dunworth December 5, 2013 at 6:12 pm #

          Thanks, Jacques!

          By the way, I’d love to find out more about the use of tobacco by shamans – I spent a lot of time searching for information but didn’t find much. Do you have any good sources of information?

  2. Bill Hardman December 5, 2013 at 6:13 pm #

    I grew tobacco a few years ago. You do get a sticky exudate on the underside of the leaves which contains nicotine which can be absorbed through the skin. I wasn’t bothered about that but it does attract dust and dirt and can be messy on your hands. Apparently people unused to nicotine can become quite ill if working in the tobacco fields in countries where there is less mechanisation.

  3. James Dunworth December 5, 2013 at 10:17 pm #

    Yes, green tobacco sickness, isn’t it?

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